327 thoughts on “Do you want a highly realistic game where you are President? Vote here!

  1. I love this idea. However, I hope the creation of this game won’t slow down the updates and additions to President Infinity.

  2. @Jonathan,

    If we do it, it won’t be started for a few months. PI is the main focus right now, and will be for awhile.

  3. I’m torn. On the one hand, this is something I’ve always hoped would become a game. I spent quite a while playing an old game called Commander in Chief (Wikipedia link below)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander_in_Chief_(video_game)

    However, I ultimately stopped playing because the inaccuracies were driving me mad. As something of a policy wonk, I’d see a mechanic and think “That’s not how this works” every 5 minutes. The game’s downfall was the ease of seeing wild swings in popularity. Boost funding for a program and you’d be a hero. Cut funding, raise the gas tax by 5 cents, reduce public employees’ salaries, or pass any number of laws, and D.C. police would have an angry mob 250,000 strong on your hands, there to protest against a president with a 1% approval rating. 95% of my games ended with my character being lynched, resigning, or fleeing the country aboard Marine One.

    That experience has convinced me that a game like this – which is necessarily going to have some flaws or oversimplifications, unless a major studio plows millions into production – will eventually drive me up the wall.

  4. @John Doe

    Yeah, I played that game. My president became virtually immortal once I increased funding for infrastructure to the max. The economy boomed. I won reelection by about 85%!

    @Anthony

    I’d like to know how you’ll make it highly realistic. I think it can be done, but I think it might be difficult. Although, we have all our past presidents before us as examples. Would this new game have an editor mode? I’d probably want to make scenarios with past presidents. Imagine playing as Lincoln and trying to get the Civil Rights bill passed through Congress (as in the movie Lincoln) or FDR in 1944-1945 in encouraging a Second Bill of Rights. Etc.

  5. This would be amazing but i have a few questions.
    One would this be a 3d engine or like president infinity? Honestly i would prefer something like PI cause Geopolitcal simulators a wreck and thats the most realistic game out there.
    Will there be events,will you be able to decide what your miltitary does(attack a country) such as the debate between having ground troops to fight isis or just bombings.
    Will the elections be like PI cause they need to be basically a copy and paste of that because its perfect.
    Will you be able to raise and lower taxes,pass bills which will acorse effect your approval and such.
    I think this needs to be added to PI in general but diffrent races have diffrent approvals of you.
    This also needs to be added to PI and this game but breaking off from your current party and running as a 3rd party.
    If your approval goes way to low,or you do something unconstitutional you get thrown out of office should be added,also the option to play as the new president and have an election.
    Historical wars and elections,like the cival war and revolutinary war,WW1,WW2,korean,vietnam,iraq,etc. and to play them out by building your army
    This is a big one and would be an awesome feature
    changing governments! This means there should be more than 5 canidates aloud like for example before you start your game you can choose to play as a pre existing canidate or make your own decide your views(can be communist,soicialist,etc.) also congress and senate elections to pass bills(GPS did this well)things such as encourgaging a certain party to get more socialists or something like that such as victoria 2 if you get enough support(which would be extremely unlikely) you can change to a communism,socialism etc. also if you get enough support for the military have a military dictatorship(these would be more likely in diffrent time frames for example it would be much more likely to have a tottaly dif government in the 1800’s then today,or have a socialist government in the 20’s) all these would be absolutely amazing i think it could be good just like a full screen PI style map plus it wouldnt take as much time that would
    Be an Absolutely perfect game that i dream of playing! Thanks anythony hopefully you guys can pull that off:)

  6. Also in that pre game screen if you make a custom chracter you can start a new party also or run as one of the tons of pre made parties

  7. And, would we have the option to pick a real world figure, say Sarah Palin, or Donald Trump? You said it will be highly realistic, but thought I would ask to be sure.

  8. Hopefully so thats what i ment like a pre game screen (chossing a real canidate),also maybe an option to verse a canidate(obama 2012) for example who is running for re election

  9. I think it should also take into effect an ideologically unique president relative to the composition of both houses of Congress. For example, Sanders, Paul, Trump, Carson, Cruz, etc. would probably have a harder time implementing their platform than would Clinton, Bush, Rubio, Christie or Kasich.

    Naturally, presidents almost always veer off their platform, but I feel that especially Sanders, Paul and Cruz are ideological puritans.

  10. And also if you lose the election to win the presidency you can just sim till the next election or wait it out and see what happens i also believe there should be extensive stat tracking such as approval ratings,election results,previous election maps and results would be amazing

  11. It would be cool if it was somehow integrated into PI, so you can campaign and and operate as president. Then, if someone else becomes president, you have to carry on as that president and try to adhere to the platform of that president.

  12. @Jonathan

    Oh man, imagine running as Cruz, vowing to for a national flat tax, and since the predictions are saying the Democrats will assume control of the Senate; Now you are forced to compromise with the Senate to get your tax bill passed. And since your reputation in the Senate is already horrible, they might even consider your bill till you toss them a huge bone(nominating a liberal judge to the SC).

  13. I mean, on the one hand I’ve long dreamed of a Political Career Simulator; either run for or start off in a local office, climb the career path for that by voting and creating and implementing bills, then run for state-wide office (Senator or Governor), and starting to make decisions on the state and national level, before throwing your hat in for the presidency. All the while, having to fight for reelection, tracking how far away your district’s/state’s politics are from your own (as to avoid a potential party insurgency) and measuring how much you’ve accomplished (which helps correlate to your name recognition), as well as the fear of jumping in too early possibly losing you not only your dream of higher office but maybe even your current one. If it worked, then I’d love that game.

    However, I understand that this would be either a) a ridiculously complex game to make (though you have shown with PI the ability to make a very good game with complexities, though the complexities are of a quite different nature) or b) oversimplified to the point that the natural base for the game (wonky politics followers like me) just have no interest in playing.

    So in overall, I’d love to play the game in my head; and I’ll support any attempt to create it by anyone with proven skills to try to make it work. I just don’t know if it’s possible to fill that craving.

  14. ^Also, not the Dylan two above. The one who wrote about Cruz. Will go by Dylan K. now to avoid any confusion.

  15. I’m interested — I’d likely purchase and play it (at least once!).

    I’d be concerned that it’d end up like the “Democracy” games which are more frustrating than anything — although extremely in-depth but very unrealistic (constant assassinations).

    I think creating a classical game campaign mode where you can run for reelection, pick your successor that also interweaves a small amount of “governing” would be interesting…and easier…I can elaborate further if there’s an interest.

  16. Defiantly want a fleshed out game as i described,also detailed stats from your candidate who you choose to make (kinda like a career) such as your previous election/primary results and a brief history written by the game for you and something such as if you just decide to wait out elections and “endorse” people and help out with campaigns you can have a percentage of people who would vote from you from each state if you were to run for president also @Dylan that is my absolute DREAM game i love it! also maybe like in a character creation screen there can be diffrent pass things that give certain bonuses (mayor,state representative,athlete,businessman,celebrity) i honestly think this could be done and would absolutely love it that combined with the ideas ive stated would be my DREAM game and a perfect simulator i think you should have 4 options and could run for any and how good you do influences how good you would do as a president i think you should be able to start out whatever the youngest is if you want to (still have to be a certain age obviously) and you do the exact job of your job and however good you do is peoples opinion and push you to run for president and basically it would just be a political life simulator @anthony combine our ideas and make this happen! make a kickstarter ill sink 100$ into a game like this πŸ™‚

  17. and obviously they could fit the county votes for the state elections just double click on it and it shows you the polling numbers! i think for every election process it should go like PI though.

  18. Also id you choose to create a new party on your character creation screen i think you should be able to manage in and grow it the premade parties should be (republican,democrat,libertarian,green,constitution,independent) and when you make a new party you acore choose the values and you can get your party out there by trying to get people to join it this would
    Just add some fun and even more replayability for the game! πŸ™‚

  19. Also if people so choose to do so because it has enough popularity diffrent people could run in that party (wether it be real people,or random gen basically both) also it could add to your bonuses that you created a party and it doesnt have to be a pre game screen you can create it anytime you just need the funds to boast its popularity :)!

  20. You should also be able to run as VP if you have really good relation with the elected president they should be able to ask you and you ask them to and of course you do the duties of the VP and just like other officies it gives you a boost running for something else

  21. I love this idea! I think it would be awesome if it was like a political career simulator where you have to climb the career ladder.

  22. Definitely. I have to add that state races (like gubernatorial or senatorial elections) should matter in some way. That would be wonderful and quite realistic.

  23. @Jonathan “I’d like to know how you’ll make it highly realistic. I think it can be done, but I think it might be difficult. Although, we have all our past presidents before us as examples. Would this new game have an editor mode?”

    First, by focusing on the U.S. Second, by paying careful attention to realism. Yes, at least limited modding would be the goal.

  24. @anthony are you guys taking in the “politcal career” sim from us or sticking with presidental? And do you guy have a wild date when it will be out by? End of summer,begging of summer?

  25. @Libertarian,

    A political career sim is a completely different idea – I’m not talking about that.

    No ETA on this, but if it goes ahead definitely not the beginning of summer.

  26. @Ben,

    Just the U.S., but moddable. For example, in the States the President has specific powers (and specific ways to expand or test those powers). You have to work with Congress, or sign Executive Orders. You are Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. The Supreme Court can strike down laws you sign based as contrary to the Constitution. And so on. These things don’t necessarily hold in other countries.

  27. @anthony about if you guys are sticking to the president only simulator or taking our “politcal career simulator” into consideration πŸ™‚

  28. Oh my goodness absolutely yes 100% yes yes yes yes. Or maybe no. No because if this becomes reality, I will never get anything done and will become a hermit in my bed playing this all day long.

  29. @anthony one last question what about all of our ideas for the president simulator can you fit those in i thought it was great ideas from everyone πŸ™‚

  30. @LibertarianUSA,

    I’m reading this thread, and some of the ideas might influence how the game is developed.

  31. @Kevin,

    “I will never get anything done and will become a hermit in my bed playing this all day long.”

    Sounds like a good tagline for game marketing. πŸ™‚

  32. Oops one last last question @anthony any release date or wild guess for one? Begging of summer,end of summer

  33. @anthony i just realized you responded to my same questions previously just didnt see them sorry about that πŸ™‚

  34. @anthony basically same format as PI tho right just an expanison? Like i could run as a third party just some bit if feedback but i think you should make promises during your campaign (bernie promising free college) and how fast you complete it or if you do at all effects your re election chance. And could third party members be introduced into congresss and senate? And one last thing would this be based only on this years election and canidates or previous ones also?

  35. And as i am apart of the steering council(even though i havent recieved the email yet lol) will we have a part in development?

  36. Yes, the intent would be to allow players to play as third party leaders.

    The vision is for it to allow for basically any years, but to focus on 2016-2020 to start.

  37. As long as its realistic, focuses on economics (there are plenty of war games), uses actual politicians names and ideologies, and isn’t crazy high priced I think it would be great… I would definitely buy it

  38. @chris i think there should be atleast descions on wars,and reports on your army what to do with them,how many casualties etc. some people may be war mongering presidents

  39. @anthony would we atleast be able to go back to lets say 2000,2004.2008 and 2012 elections also 2016 of course,and all the major events that happened happen of course diffrent descions we make may change the outcome or they may never happen(when bush decided to send troops to iraq)if we would win as al gore. Also then senate and H.O.R changes right? Depending on the most popular party also could 3rd party canidates win H.O.R and senate races?

  40. @anthony of course going back all the way to the first election would be incredible but i understand how difficult that could be

  41. @anthony as i meen playing it out all the way to present day for example from george washington to today

  42. @Libertarianofusa I would comment on this thread more, except it would just be: Do that. Do exactly what Libertarianofusa said.

    @anthony Thanks for taking in our suggestions. I love Presidential Infinity a lot (as well as CI) and am glad to at least have minor input on what games you’re thinking about creating.

  43. @Libertarianoftheusa Same for me! Ever since I got the game Political Machine… Almost 10 years ago now? I’ve wanted a game that could accurately portray governance and election cycle, and while that might be a pipe dream, at least with games like PI I’m getting closer and closer on the election part.

  44. @Chris,

    Yes, yes (although it will allow for military actions up to full-scale war, it won’t be a ‘conquer the world’ sim – the challenges of running the U.S., and in particular implementing a policy agenda, will be front and center), yes, and yes. The price will probably be in line with PI.

  45. @L,

    Historical campaigns, yes (at least moddable – they might not be included to start).

    Major historical events, yes (or at least tendencies).

    The Congress (and how it’s composed) would be part of it, yes. Don’t know about how it would work with 3rd parties.

  46. @L,

    No, I don’t think a continuity feature would be there (allowing for playing continuously from 1788 or whenever to present). However, I would want the ability to serve two terms, perhaps more (if pre-World War II).

  47. @anthony gonna post this in the steering counci for PI to but what about breaking off into your own party if losing (a.k.a trump may do)

  48. @anthony thanks for all the reply though,also i dont believe i asked but will we be able to control what our armies do (commander and chief)

  49. @anthony
    Thanks…..I wasn’t saying that it shouldn’t include war just that war shouldn’t consume the game…. I would want it more political… from everything you have said it sounds great!

  50. @L,

    No Kickstarter.

    The player would have powers similar to real life when it comes to Commander in Chief.

    At this point, since no one of prominence has actually broken off and run as an independent, no. If it happens in real life, maybe.

  51. @anthony okay thanks! Also gonna shoot you an email if you guys need any help with pi,as im currently going to school for graphic design,journalism also have a politcal backround thanks πŸ™‚

  52. @Anthony

    I’m wondering what nomination process you have in mind for when cabinet members, judges, diplomat, etc., are appointed. Obviously, there are political ramifications for each appointment. Then there is also the confirmation of these. Then some nominees become so controversial that the president is forced to withdraw the nomination. Some cabinet members may resign for their own personal reasons. Some appointments cross party lines. I’m wondering how intricate you will get with these.

  53. @Jonathan,

    At this point, I can say there will be appointments. Exactly how detailed hasn’t been decided.

  54. I like the idea. It’s very hard to find a good game where you can run for president and actually be the president.

  55. @anthony now i dont know if youve ever heard of it but will this bea as detailed as geopolitcal simulator?(to bad it was a disaster of a game)

  56. I suggest the game when you can play at any time from 1789 to 2016. You can play 2 or 3 year terms and then you going through the observer mode and look at the actions of successors.

  57. Sounds awesome, would definitely buy this. This game would be very complex to make realistic however, therefore please create some method for players to have involvement in the development (steering council, beta-testing etc). I would also suggest that the budget should be a major feature.

  58. @LibertarianUSA,

    Those decisions will be made probably in a few months. If you’ve signed up with the Subscribe button above, then you’ll receive an e-mail if it happens.

  59. @Anthony

    As Peter Lucas suggested beta testing, this would be very cool I think. πŸ˜€ So, if you need someone – I’m your guy. πŸ™‚

  60. @Luki,

    If it goes ahead, we’ll probably do a pre-order beta testing option. I find beta testing works better when beta testers to have skin in the game.

  61. A congressional game similar to the idea of your the president, where you are a senator, or a representative, and you have to spomser bills and such and get the bill to pass and then run again for your district.

  62. I think a game where you run for president or congress. Then play as that office passing bills signing bills and then having to seek reelection to your position would be awesome. I know I would totally be into that.

  63. @Ryan,

    Yes, that is what this would probably be like (not including running for Congress, which would be quite different).

  64. @Joshua,

    There are no plans to make an Australia 2016 game at this point. On the other hand, the PMI game engine should be pretty straightforward to switch to an Australia preferences system, especially once Favorability is added.

  65. Love the idea – I’ve been wanting something like this for a really long time. Perhaps you could tie the decisions you make as President could factor into the midterm elections and your own re-elect? Would that be possible?

  66. Please do this! I with the level in which you have done the election games I think a game where you actually have to manage the challenges of being president would be great.

  67. @anthoney, would congress be able to send you legislation for you to decide whether to VETO or SIGN depending on the ideaology/party in charge or if both partys hold a branch each….will something like that be in the game?

  68. Alright! That sounds awesome! Can’t believe it’d only be late Autumn, that’s not too long if you think about it!

    Also, Anthony, I sent you a personal e-mail, I think I may have a little experience to contribute to the team; a resume’, of sorts. πŸ˜›

  69. I know you’re not accepting at the moment, but I put mine in there so I could be an applicant if a position ever comes up. For all of the details, look at the e-mail I sent ya’.

  70. @Dakota,

    Thanks – I have received the e-mail. It sometimes takes several business days to work through e-mail, you should receive a response soon.

  71. Seriously! I would love this game! I would do anything to help it come faster, including funding it, and helping create it! Anthony, thanks for reading mah e-mail. Hope you consider adding me to the team! I will work for free!

  72. Definitely! Could it be integrated with PI or would it start out immediately after the election results? Reason I ask is because in a campaign you might make campaign promises and the citizens might hold your feet to the fire if you break them. Also I assume you’d run for reelection thus the PI engine would still have to be in there. Maybe campaign results could be saved from PI and imported into this game?

  73. I would definitely buy a game like this! I would also love one if you started out as a representative and worked your way up the political ladder.

  74. I’ve been purchasing from you folks for a very long time, and I enjoy PI because there’s really no equal. If one wants a realistic US Presidential election game, this is your best and only option.

    If you do this, I hope that the user would have some control over the Congress. And if Presidential actions/popularity could influence midterm elections, that would be a lot of fun.

    Im sure that the product will be great.

  75. This sounds awesome!

    And the first sim i’d request is JFK beginning in January 1961 so i can fry the Earth during the Cuban Missile Crisis…

  76. I’m pretty sure I’ve posted this already but you sent me an email update on pi with a link to this so I’ll irriderate- YES YES YES.

  77. I support the idea but hope that said game would be accurate. Also what if there was a game where you can be speaker of the house or minority/majority leader.

  78. I’ve been playing this game since President Forever 2008 and I would love the idea of actually being president!! I think it would be awesome if this “being president” game took place in the era of the election, a sort of “what if this happened instead” scenario. Thats just my two cents.

  79. @Brian,

    Control over Congress would be modeled on real-life – have to negotiate with Congress, depends on whether hostile Congress or not, and so on.

  80. @Lucas,

    Gathering subscribers and gauging interest! If it happens, work will probably start on it in a few months.

  81. Yes, all for it! I agree with those who played Commander in Chief or any of its sequels, though- please up the realism from that series! I’m confident that a game made by you would be much better.

  82. Yes…its worth a chance. Speaking as a teacher, it would be useful for classrooms and kids could get a lot out of it.

  83. I love this idea. I think the attention to detail and realism in the election games would really be what would set this game apart from other political simulators. You guys don’t dumb things down. I would definitely buy it.

  84. I’d love a game like this if done well. I like the election-based game, but would love a governing-based game even more.

    It is very hard to do it well, because things like the economic model have to avoid ideological bias. My instinct of how to make it ideologically “balanced” is to make sure that policies of any ideology can succeed in their goals, although the goals fulfilled might be different. That is, left-leaning (by US standards) economic policies might have slightly less growth than those on the right, but more citizens would benefit from the growth, with the reverse on the right.

    Note that isn’t exactly how I think it works (I think one has to go farther left than anything that would have a chance of passing in the US before growth would be compromised to any significant degree), but it would have the necessary balance so one’s policies could succeed regardless of the player’s political slant.

  85. Sounds good. Take some ideas from Democracy 3 and Paradox Interactive.

    So maybe Democracy 3’s issue and policy based structure with a function where you have to get the senate to agree with you.

    Combine with midterm elections where you can campaign as president and try and get your party elected.

    Sounds very ambitious, don’t know how you avoid railroading the player through a scenario, but that’s why I do film and not video games haha!

  86. General feature for your games suggestion: Some way to include racial, age, and gender demographics in the voting populations. Make it more immersive!

  87. I don’t think I’ve played Democracy 3; I think the latest one in that series I played was Democracy 2. Whichever version I played showed the difficulties of making a governing game really well…because I had to do what worked in the game rather than what I believed worked in real life (I’m not saying I was provably right, but neither were they; so much of what policies work is subject to debate between people of different views).

    A key factor also is I assume that, at least for the first game, it will be based on the US (though I think this company is based in the UK), and even beyond the mechanics of passing bills, there are big differences based on the country. From Democracy (whichever version), as I recall, it seemed European based such that it was easier to get people to accept less funding for roads replaced by more for mass transit, which Americans wouldn’t accept at the level that seemed optimal within the game. Europeans might well accept that.

    I definitely want to encourage the governing game to be made, because a really good one would be amazingly enjoyable; if it’s about the same price as the election game I can guarantee I’ll buy it, because the upside is so high. The objectivity is what will make it work, or not, however.

  88. I have a few questions.
    First of all, are you able to sit around and wait until the next election if you loose? If so, during that point, could you change your party affiliation if you wanted?

    Also, like the 1912 election, can we just go and create a political party if we loose the primaries?

  89. Mathew’s ideas are pretty good in my opinion.
    For the first one, I would have the suggestion to add the possibility to create a testing the waters committee. Based on the incumbent president’s actions and popularity you should decide if jumping into the race is a good idea or not.
    If not you could wait the next 4 years or wait if you are selected as a Vice Presidential candidate.

  90. @Mathew,

    Re waiting until next election, it’s an interesting idea – perhaps.

    Re creating new political party if you lose the primaries, maybe.

  91. Also one question,

    Let’s say you are about to start your reelection for president, will there be a possibility that an Independent will join in without having to add him to the game? Or would we have to manually add the Independent?

  92. My biggest question about this game is also referring to the demographic blocks. While playing president infinity, I always found it a little ridiculous how different blocks DIDN’T exist, when the different voting blocks contribute so much to the primaries and general election (IE: Hillary’s black vote over Sanders or Trump’s foreseen struggle with certain minorities). Will the different voting blocks be represented as actual blocks or the percentages of “leaning” and committed voters in PI? And would there be more interaction with how they are wooed and what stances turn them to or away from a candidate?

  93. Yes, this would be great! It sucks how I got Rubio to win by a pretty big landslide and now can do nothing with him. Would your performance in the election at all effect you when you are actually the president?

  94. I’d buy that game. Masters of the World is about the only game that comes close to realistically tackling this idea but every country pretty much plays the same and that makes it really hard to play. Would also be cool if you could carry over your saves from the other games as well.

  95. Absolutely. I’d be one of the people in line to purchase a version you put together. I just hope it’s as detailed and thorough as your campaign game is. I wonder what sort of policy-legislation nexus you’d create. Like, for healthcare, would you have multiple different sorts of policies to put political capital toward, or maybe assemble pieces together and lobby for those to Congress, much like setting campaign platforms? IDK, I’m excited to see what you folks offer if you undertake the project.

  96. @Mathew re independents,

    It would probably be a campaign-based variable, so we could set it to be likely or not likely, based on what actions were taken.

  97. @Caleb re demographic blocks,

    They would basically be as detailed as desired by the designer, so actual blocks.

    I anticipate it will affect game mechanics, but that’s all I can say at this point.

  98. @Tylofitz re whether performance in election would affect when you are actually the president,

    Yes.

  99. Would the game package elections and administration all in one, or would it just be “your” presidential administration? I think it’d be great to have your actions affect your re-election and even mid-term elections….

  100. Also, if this game happens. I’d love to see live results of the primaries during election. Like it could add some suspense for you;

    Example;
    Last night in Montana, Clinton was leading very early in the night, then eventually fell back 5 points giving Sanders the lead.

  101. @Nate,

    Yes, there would be a way to work towards certain kinds of legislation (depending on the make up of Congress).

  102. I disagree, PI has a lot of potential and should be fully fleshed out before beginning development on another title. It would also be great to have the ability to play as the president of this election, which I assume will be a feature on launch.

  103. I havent looked at this since the first week it was announced what all are you putting in at the moment? And change since u started this also is there an ETA?

  104. I truly think you guys should add the option to start and run for senator,governor,and rep. (This wouldnt even need countys just a general vote) I truly believe this would fully make this game,then you just jump into whatever presidental race you want to(you can have canidates loaded up for future elections to jump in) I seriously think this would take this game to the next level.

  105. I believe that earlier you stated that the game would include the election cycle as well. Would it be as detailed as President Infinity, or something on a much smaller scale? Could the game have compatibility with President Infinity for the election cycle? In addition to LibertarianOfTheUSA, would Congress Infinity perhaps have some support as well?

  106. @anthony_270admin
    There is a scenario I would like to pose as well.

    Let’s say that I choose to play as a third party, I’ll go with the Green Party, and play through the entire election cycle, primaries and the general election, and I get to about 3-4%. Will I get the option to wait the 4 years and run again, with a larger base this time around? (And for shits and giggles, if I get the 5% will I get the federal funding?). Would the 4 years in between just be simulated, or would there be something for me to do in the mean time? If the game is integrated with President Infinity AND Congress Infinity (which I don’t know if you plan, though it would be an interesting concept that I definitely would enjoy), could I still take the Green Party through the elections in the mean time and run for different positions until the next general election?

    If it does end up fully integrated with CI, would you have a personal character you are keeping afloat, or could you be invested in the party as a whole? I’m weirdly fixed on this I’ll admit, but I’d love to take the smaller parties (Green, Constitution, Libertarian, etc) and play them throughout various election cycles growing larger slowly, getting seats in Congress, and then eventually President. I think that the possibilities are endless with the concepts you’ve already proposed. Could you perhaps shed some light on a lot of the questions I’ve asked and let me know what you plan to be possible and what won’t be, and if CI will be integrated?

  107. @caleb id like to know this as well,I believe it would be amazing to run as a sen,then rep for example and work your way up to gov then pres. Growing the party as a whole at the same time. Perhaps getting others to join the party? (A dem to green or rep to lib) I think this would provide thousands of hours of fun,this game would be groundbreakig for us political game fans,this is what weve been waiting for,there was this game made by a professor called election day,you could run for mayor all the way up to pres but hes ceased to update it. @anthony you can really make this game amazing and groundbreaking by adding being a sen,gov,and rep and then even a VP then prez to working your way up the political ladder,making decisions these positions have to make,just seeing what happens through the years you should really do this idea @anthony this is what we want as an election sim community.

  108. @Caleb,

    I don’t know if you would be able to run, lose, then wait and run again. My guess is yes, but no decision has been made on that yet.

  109. @Libertarian,

    Adding the ability to run as Senator, Governor, and so on, would greatly expand the complexity of the game, which will be complex enough.

  110. @anthony i believe its the point of actually being a sen rep and gov..I think you guys could obviously do it especially with todays technology…if a professor did it in 1994 you guys can do it now. It is what the political sim community wants…we have a game that your just president already its geopolitcal simulator we want a game were u have a politcal career of sorts and you guys would be the best to do it.

  111. @anthony you guys can truly do something special here with a politcal career sim of sorts..we have a presidental sim game out there. Do something special and make a politcal career sim! (Sen,gov,rep,VP,prez) its 2016 its about time we have a game like this. Its been a long enough wait for the politcal game community and everyone wants it

  112. I don’t necessarily think that making it all about a political career Sim is necessary,(as much as I’d love it) but I can definitely see how integrating President Infinity and Congress Infinity would make the game have more depth and complexity in a good way, allowing you to run not only for president but also try and take Congress for your party so you can actually get your legislation by.

  113. Will probably have a different Congressional elections engine, since the player isn’t in a position of one of the national committees (such as the NRSC or DSCC).

  114. @Anthony So does that mean that in my hypothetical Green party, if you choose to make us able to sit out, I wouldn’t be able to run the Congressional elections for them and have them grow power? Kinda an ambitious question for an ambitious scenario I admit.

  115. @anthony i ask u one request i know my political career sim was alittle ambitious,but please and many have said they want us to. After our terms are up and we maxed out to continue,for example being able to play from 1788-2020! Please im asking you this. We have vcczar whose made every election up to 1956 you guys can do it for a president simulator! This will make this game next level and uncanncey replayable,being able to start in any year we wanted from the first election till now. And after this election you can for example make all sen,gov,rep,major mayors,and celeberties and they have the possibly to join. And after that it can just be random gen. This would make this game amazing! Please πŸ™‚

  116. @Libertarian,

    Maybe. Some sort of simple shifting of %s from one election to another based on the previous results might be do-able.

  117. what is the time frame for the release of this game? Also I personally think it would be cool if the president gets to work with/go against congress in this game. Lastly would approval ratings act in place of the polls in said game. Thanks!

  118. I think even just having to play as that same party would be a good option for those 200 years,and if the ai incumbent then it acourse affects the % if there even beatable or not,for example im preety sure inc george washington (if the player decides to activite him) is un beatable

  119. @Libertarian

    Yeah, I think playing as one party would be cool, but you’d have to decide how to work in Federalists and Jeffersonian Republicans. Although it wasn’t this clean, I think the best way to do this is:

    Federalists -> Dewitt Clinton -> Federalists -> Adams Men -> National Republicans -> Whigs -> Republicans

    Jeffersonian Republicans -> Jackson Men -> Democrats -> Northern Democrats (1860) -> Democrats -> Liberal Republicans (1872) -> Democrats

    However, you could also have choices, especially if you include what-if candidates: For instance, you could refuse to follow Dewitt Clinton and stick with an underfunded, undersupported straight Federalist. Of after Clinton, you could refuse to return to the Federalists, and join the sole major party of the time. As a Whig, you could refuse to join the Republicans, opting for the Democrats or one of the 3rd parties (Know Nothings or Constitutional Union). In 1912, you could join Roosevelt’s 3rd party attempt. In the 1960s, you could switch parties as many did.

    I’m not sure how a Presidential History Infinity would really work exactly. I guess you play the part of campaign manager or an influential party boss dynasty that makes the moves for your party’s nominee, year after year after year.

    This would work more accurately if you were stuck with a candidate from your state or region, especially early on.

  120. @Jonathen after a party split,such as the progressive party,you should be able to choose to stay w republicans and then go back after that year,basically just staying within the party,idk about a party leader but just being able to play as a canidate from the begging to present would be awesome

  121. @Nicholas,

    If game goes ahead, time frame for starting development would be this autumn. Probably would have extensive public testing before a first official release, perhaps first half of 2017.

  122. Whats holding you guys back? Theres obviously lots of hype of political gamers πŸ™‚ @anthony

  123. Here are some things I want. It is very unorganized, sorry about that.

    In this game, would there be voting blocks? Or how about the ability to go as president one term, you loose the election. You watch how the current president does, then run after his term? Example: Grover Cleveland

    Also, what about scandals in office? Like you could choose to do something that could cause a scandal. Like maybe another Watergate Scandal. Or perhaps another Lewinsky scandal?

    When we are running for President, is there a way to have the Vice-President do things by himself? Such as going to states you targeted? Would the Vice-President do his job without the player controlling him? As I feel that I’d love to have that feature. If that’s the case, during our reelection, if the veep does a bad job, can we replace him?

    Also, if a candidate chooses you for their Vice-President, can the player just play him and not the person on the front of the ticket? As I feel it would be easier for the player, and then you would have to suffer if a bad candidate chose you for their running mate.

    During election night, will the states lock up like it did in PF2008? And will it show counties you would have to go to? I feel if you added counties, it would work in with voting blocks. Because the rural counties are more conservative and it would show it on the map.

    I feel that in the game, you have the possibility of being impeached. It can hurt your approval rating, and if it is in a reelection campaign, it could seriously hurt you.

    Oh, and how would be be able to get into the testings?

  124. Oh and I forgot to add this part of the vice-president idea I had.

    Let’s say that you are Vice President and a bit more then half way into the term and the president dies. You’d take over the President’s position then continue for the rest of that term. Then you can run for two more as you served less then two years in your first term.

  125. @Anthony

    I would really love to see something done with the VP selection process for this game. Perhaps even allow a candidate to refuse.

  126. @Jonathan re Veep process,

    Veeps will soon have their own issue position centers, so something might happen – we’ll see.

  127. @QH555,

    Scandals, yes.

    Vice-Presidents have actions themselves, yes.

    Play as Vice-President only, probably not.

    ,Possibility of impeachment, yes.

    Testing, make sure to subscribe by clicking the button in the post! You’ll then be notified of any major announcements related to the game.

  128. @Libertarian,

    What’s holding us back from starting? It’s called PI, CI, and PMI.

    Game engine advances for PI will probably be part of a possible Be President game, so work on one will be work on another.

  129. @Anthony
    IIRC, PI will be integrated into the new game, so work on it right now is literally work on the president game in a way right?

  130. Caleb’s got a point. I’d love to see this game – but would it be an entirely new title, or would it be a future version of PI?

  131. In this game, during the election, will there be a way for candidates to approach you for being veep? Like maybe multiple candidates ask you for that position, then if you want, you can put them on a shortlist. After they are on there, you can ask them to attend rallies with you to see how they react.

    Also, during campaigning, can you take the candidate’s age into mind? Such as if you are a older person, you could have a risk of dying while campaigning or in office. Or you could also have a lot less stamina. On the other hand, if you are young, you would have a lot of stamina and you wouldn’t face the other problems. If your candidate would die after the election, could you make it to where you would then be the veep choice and you’d have to choose someone to be your veep?

    For the polls, could you maybe have multiple polls released at the beginning of the week, and you would have to selected one to go off of? As there are more then just one poll at the beginning of the week.

  132. @QH555,

    Ideas noted – we’ll see.

    For stamina, some older people have more stamina than other younger people, so I think it makes more sense to use a Stamina attribute (such as the game currently has) instead of age for that.

  133. @Dakota,

    It would probably be an entirely new title that used PI for the election part of the game.

  134. @anthony_270admin

    THANK THE LORD. PI is the best election sim to date, and I believe that that is a great way to expand the game, rather than being lazy and going Democracy 3 style, simulating election results. Is there a Kickstarter for this? Lol.

  135. @Dakota,

    Thanks for this feedback!

    No planned Kickstarter. If it goes ahead, there will probably be a public testing phase, perhaps for people who pre-order.

  136. YES this would be great, especially if added as an extension of the current President Infinity election cycle.

  137. I could type for ages about why I want this to happen, but as I’m in a rush, I thought I’d keep it simple:

    Yes please!

  138. Some more suggestions;

    I believe you should be able to choose from a selected amount of politicians and business man to run, as well as make your own character. And when you enter the game, it would be in the middle of the term of the incumbent president. You’d be able to sit out and watch how the president does, and you’ll be able to criticize him or applaud him for certain actions.

    As the game continues, you can be given options to hint to the public that you are running for president. You can then create an exploratory committee and start fundraising and traveling to events.

    If you are a billionaire or a custom politician with no party ties, you could decide to run in any party you want. Or even run an independent,

    When it is election day, you would be able to vote in the election in your home-state. And if you loose, you can sit out and then just sit out and watch what the current president does.

    ———————————

    Also, I saw some comments about a political career game in here, I was wondering that if you finish the President part of the game, would being senator, governor and representative possibly be added?

  139. Some extra things I thought of,

    When you drop out, you would be able to sit and watch what is happening. You could make statements about candidates, the president, and talk at the convention. You also would have a chance to vote for the candidate that you want, or you could write in a name.

    There is also another route you could take, you could drop out and sit for awhile, then you could decide to have an independent run.

    —————

    Also, is there any planned date for this? Like Q2/3 2017?

  140. Would we be able to just sit out for awhile and watch how the president does, and even watch as elections go by? I’d love to just be able to just be in the background of the game and watch how the elections go and how the new president does.

  141. @QH555 re planned date,

    No, the project isn’t a go yet. Still working on PI, CI, and PMI, and that will continue probably for the next few months.

  142. I’d like to see a game like this. I felt that with the Forever games campaigns were fun but then the end was anticlimactic but getting to carry on playing with another election would be good.

  143. I want STATS STATS STATS! Being able to look at exact results from previous elections,blocks of previous elections,how each group views you,approval ratings,everything that is coming to PI,Very early primary polling.
    I think we should be able to control the party itself. Starting from the first election to the newest. Since its presidental exclusive.

  144. I hope you do this it seems like a really good idea, I have a quick question when playing as the vp wild your relationship affect the power you have in the administration. Example say you have a very good relationship with the president you would have more of a role than if the president didn’t like you. If you create a character for a election would you be able to select their job senator congressman etc.

  145. @PoliticalGuy,

    There are no plans to have an option where one plays as the VP.

    Candidates would have titles, but I don’t know if it would include selecting their occupation.

  146. I so hope this happens, your games are great but its an anti climax at the end. To be able to carry on and actually enact your proposed policies would be amazing and make your games perfect.

  147. I would LOVE this. Count me in as a purchaser. Guaranteed. It’s a tall order to capture the nuance of governing. Leading public opinion, managing the press, foreign relations and especially working with congress. I think it would be fantastic and have limitless expansion possibilities.

  148. I very much love the idea.

    I recommend Nixon’s Presidency as a playable one, I’d love to try and successfully cover-up Watergate while ending the Vietnam War.

  149. Also I suggest implementing Press Conferences, it’ll be fun passive-aggressively dealing with rowdy reporters.

  150. I have yet to vote. So yes. The Rulers of Nations series has been decent but not improving at all. I think this would be a great one.

  151. To add onto Brendan, I would also say that maybe after being president, you have an option of choosing someone in your specific party to continue on.

  152. This is my dream come true!

    I have been searching for good political simulators for years but it seems to be really lacking.

    There are a lot of good political-war simulators, that are mostly focused on the war and empire building aspect rather than populace and policy.

    I am crossing my fingers for this one; I believe making different historical periods would be cool, but I would be more interested in a randomized, sandbox type of play style. Something in the form of Democracy would be nice, but I have never been overly fond there.

  153. In addition to that. I feel that you should also work on a Gubernatorial election game. We already have President and Congress why not add Governors to it.

  154. Could U focus heavily on making this as realistic as possible on stats and realism I 100% want these here my suggestions

    -Being able to wait in between elections if you lose
    -Congress integration,showing what each house gets and being able to watch that on election night also
    -Continuous play,I know you said you probably wont be doing this But I really hope you pull the trigger and do it,being able to play the first election ever till the
    future
    -With this I want be able to check back on every elections results and the state by states results
    -Since it would be continuous you could choose to play somebody diffrent or the same if you win but It has to be in the same party
    -Being able to break off during the primaries and run as third party
    -The previous election results affects the one you would be presently in
    -Countrys shifts onto diffrent views
    -I wish you could let us run for representative and senator you dont have to make every states districts just let us run and look at the results,it wouldnt have to be nearly as fleshed out as president. We would just vouche for bills and Yay nay them and this would affect our reputation
    -Being a real commander and chief being able to send how many soldiers you want to and all that airstrikes taking out big targets and such
    -Controlling what Pacts your in like UN and NAFTA
    -With playing for future elections you could just have all the political figures that are currently now have the possibility to run,you can also have randomly generated
    I hopy you integrate these Ideas and I will post more thank you anthony

  155. @Archer,

    If the decision is made to make this game, that might happen, but the initial focus would be contemporary.

  156. I think this would be a really successful game. There’s a lot of people looking for a realistic game where they’re acting as the president. There are some games but none of them are realistic and or not detailed enough. I know A LOT about the duties of the president. So if you ever need some help. I’m willing to put in some money to get this made also.

  157. @Chrisopher Jacobs,

    Thanks for this feedback – best way to support this project right now is to subscribe above and send the link to other people who might be interested in subscribing.

  158. Yes, all the major, basic decisions a President makes would likely be modeled to some degree. The exact level of detail in doing this would be a different question.

  159. I hope this is something that will happen. On the subject of cabinet appointments, it would be quite interesting to say, appoint Sarah Palin or Allen West.

  160. Yes yes yes! πŸ˜€ Would this be connected to President Infinity or a completely separate game? For example when EA still made a college football game, one could export a draft class to use in their NFL product.

  161. I like @David B’s suggestion, having exported a college draft class from the college game into Madden NFL Football. I’m guessing it would be kind of difficult to do, however.

  162. The support for this game exists. People want it, I’ve been a loyal customer for years. I love the games you guys come out with. This would be the greatest one yet. It could actually be merged in with President Infinity.

  163. This game, if done right, will be very successful, it would be the first out there that has realistic elections, and has an accurate representation of what the President can do.

  164. @anthony_270admin I pray you do make it. I’ve always wanted to play a game like that. There are no good games on the market that would come close. So, I have my fingers crossed that it happens.

  165. @Thomas,

    Thanks for this feedback!

    Note everyone that a decision on this probably won’t be made for several months.

  166. @anthony

    I don’t recall the name of the game, but there was a rather complex Civil War PC game made in the late 80s or early 90s. As Lincoln or Davis, you had to begin by selecting your cabinet. Each cabinet choice affected regional support, so you often had to select a lesser individual in order to balance the cabinet.

    In creating such a game with presidential decision. I think having a list of cabinet appointees to choose from, as well as pros and cons to their appointments, would be great. I think also there should be a random chance that a cabinet selection declines an offer. That a congress might try to block the choice. Or your own advisers might advise against a choice, or offer someone else.

    For example, a message could pop up that says, “I recommend selecting Rep. John Doe for Agriculture to sure up Midwestern support.” Or, “You are losing support of the very religious demographic. Why not pick Rep. Jane Doe for Sec of Education.” On top of this, it would be great if the advisers occasionally offer unwise advice.

    Perhaps, also, the advice shouldn’t be offered unless you seek advice from advisers, senators, governors, reps, cabinet sec, judges, CEOs, citizens, activists, professors, religious leaders, ambassadors, heads of state, cronies, etc.

  167. @Luki

    I don’t think that was the name of the game, but I could be wrong. I haven’t played it since I was 15.

  168. Will there be assassination attempts on you in this game? And if so, could you be given an option to continue as the vice president who would now be President? From there, you’d have to work with congress to pick a vice president, and set up your cabinet.

    Also, let’s say you are on the verge of getting impeached from office, you should be given a option to resign. Or you can just choose to resign anytime, however you want. From there, you could choose whether to leave the game or to continue to play with the new president/ ex Vice President.

  169. I have question. Why is it taking so long to get this game going? This conversation was started in January. It’s about to be a whole year and you recently said Note everyone that a “decision” on this probably won’t be made for several months. That’s going to be another year. if you wait too long people will lose interest because it’s going to take too long.

  170. @Christopher Jacobs,

    “Why is it taking so long to get this game going?”

    Lots on the plate with the U.S. election games in 2016, and the Infinity games will have more updates. If this game happens, it will be a major commitment – I don’t take a decision on it lightly.

  171. @Jonathan,

    Yes, the idea as I have it now is that a campaign will have a large number of people (Congressmen, Senators, Governors, military leaders, business leaders, and so on), each with various stats.

  172. @daleW this would be possible with modding I believe,I believe anthony mentioned somewhere in this log that there will be extensive modding and scenario edititing.

  173. @anthony check out our thread we made in the General section,I enjoyed the prospect of “Us Politician infinity”,being able to run for a major cities mayor,rep,sen,pres,and being a VP.

  174. Yes please!!! It would be really fun dealing with scandals/major events, shaping policies, and dealing with foreign leaders.

  175. This idea is awesome, but we need to be able to be “in the room” as they say when it comes to big decisions. It needs to make us feel the heat of the decision and the dramatic effects of those actions! I would buy this kind of game in a heart beat.

  176. @Alex,

    At this point, I’m not willing to be more specific – it depends on other things that are difficult to predict.

  177. I love the idea of realistic Presidential governing game. There’s not enough like that.

    Random aside: I’d love to see a game that was like Congress Infinity simplified (so it would run faster) but that ran for 100 years (with random variables for how states moved over time, random generation of candidate strength, and a midterm penalty benefiting the opposition party down-ballot) i.e. you could experience controlling a party with ebbs and flows over time so you could suffer a setback but try and come back. The stand-alone simulations are fun but I’ve yet to see a game that plays out cycle-upon-cycle. /shrug Just idle chatter =)

  178. I say to all the people in the comments buy and play geopolitical simulator 4. Power and Revolution. The most recently created and realistic president game ever. Also to the admin, please take notes off this game. Make it better.

  179. Suggesting games, I recommend taking some inspiration from Shadow President, Democracy 3, and Hearts of Iron IV.

  180. @Stephen B,

    Something like that could be done fairly straightforwardly, if we have a certain number of continuous elections. We’ll see.

  181. One question. If in the game you are going to add the negotiation in Congress, can you add the Congress caucuses? For example, you are a republican and you need 60 votes in the Senate for a law, and you can negociate with the Blue Dogs.

  182. Will foregin relations play a factor in the game?
    What about millitary operations?

    If so any insight on how these will work

  183. Will be there possibility to import my candidate from President Infinity to this game? I’d love to play as Republican President (Romney or Christie etc) in 2013 or as Gore in 2001.

  184. @AJ,

    Yes and yes. Military operations would not be the focus, and would not be detailed. Foreign relations would matter, with every other country modeled to an extent.

  185. Awesome! Also, we know that the President is de facto the leader of his party. Will this game include for example campaigning for candidates in the midterm elections (even some important primaries) or the presidential nominee (rally with President, First Lady or Vice President)? Or nominating the leader of RNC or DNC?

  186. @Wester33,

    Those elements will probably be included to some extent. I want to emphasize this game is not in development, it’s still a preliminary stage of gauging support.

  187. hi i have one questions what are about mode to select candidates?? its possible play more than one? your choice what candidates running like president infinity? this method are good in optional minimum

  188. Really excited just off the preliminary stuff being said. I hope this game goes into development because I haven’t been able to find a game that delt with being the President to this extent (besides geopolitical simulator which I can’t get passed the UI and bad AI)

    A few questions though:

    Would intelligence agency’s give you updates on events foregin and domestic? Or can you instruct them to gather information on a place or people?

    How would managing the federal agencies work?

    Any idea on how the cabinet will work? Do you select your cabinet from a predetermined list, or can you make each of your cabinet members from scratch?

    How does the economic policies work will you make a budget, tax plan etc, try to decrease the debt and deficit?

    And how can you make policy? And will it be realistic to get through congress?

  189. Still super excited about this. With as much attention as many people are playing to the role of the president right now, the time is right for a game like this.

  190. I have a few important suggestions if you want the game to work:

    1. Make sure it is easy to MOD, think hearts of Iron 4 and EU 4. This way, when individual players think the system is inaccurate, they can fix it. For example, adjusting the effects of infrastructure spending or taxes. The goal should be to have an accurate system in the game, but let the player change the rules if he thinks he knows better.

    2. The game needs to be more than just Democracy 2 or 3 where a person sets a bunch of policies. Yes, that should be part of it. yes, there should be a budget and policy sliders and such. However, it also requires party dynamics and congress and not in a simplistic way. No simple thing where congress passes something to veto or sign. Rather, the president needs to face 435 congressmen and 100 senators who each have their own issue profile and are influenced by state polls and party affiliation. To make changes wanted — and to avoid unwanted changes — the player needs to get a majority. Something based on political capital, the popularity of the idea, partisan affiliation. So, the president gains political capital by popularity and by agreeing to things individual representatives and senators want and then can call upon it to help get things passed that are borderline.

    3. Events do need to happen, but be realistic. No overstating things like most games do.

  191. I have been following this thread since it began over a year ago when I was looking for a game like this. I ended up purchasing president infinity after looking through this website a little more. Please make this game.

  192. If you do decide to make this game, will players be able to campaign for President for House and Senate members, kind of like PI and CI put together before they play as President?

  193. Incumbency features are actions an incumbent President can take (that other candidates can’t) or effects on candidates that affect incumbent candidates differently.

    Some examples. Presidents can make a state of the union address, they can initiate military action, they can sign or veto legislation, they can issue executive orders, and so on.

  194. This game sounds amazing. I’ve been waiting patiently for an announcement, when can we expect one?

  195. @Matthew,

    No, we have decided instead of add features to President Infinity, including incumbency features. At some point, this might add up to full-fledged Be President game, but there aren’t currently plans to do so.

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