President Infinity next release sneak-peek #2, Windows only

Here is a sneak-peek #2 of the next release if you want to see it before everyone else does. You can download it here.

Note: Windows only at this point. Requires you already have the game installed.

Feedback welcome!

Version details here.

66 Responses to President Infinity next release sneak-peek #2, Windows only

  1. anthony_270admin July 2, 2016 at 1:31 pm #

    Note that the primaries turnout numbers have not been set yet, so the numbers you see will be significantly > than the actual numbers.

  2. libertarianoftheusa July 2, 2016 at 4:49 pm #

    @anthony love the new poll window,can you add so when you mouse over it shows the percentages of the line? all polling sites do it

  3. anthony_270admin July 2, 2016 at 4:53 pm #


    Yes, that might happen in a future update.

  4. libertarianoftheusa July 2, 2016 at 4:59 pm #

    Either way this update was a big jump awesome work! @anthony

  5. anthony_270admin July 2, 2016 at 5:29 pm #

    Thanks for this feedback!

  6. andres July 2, 2016 at 6:58 pm #


    When are you going to release for Mac?

  7. anthony_270admin July 2, 2016 at 7:16 pm #


    Mac version with the next official release, which will probably be next week.

  8. libertarianoftheusa July 2, 2016 at 9:26 pm #

    @anthony keep getting a same occuring bug were my game freezes and i cant click on anything in PI have to close it using task manager happens every time march 11 in the 2016 scenario starting in jan any canidates

  9. andres July 3, 2016 at 12:35 am #

    I’m having problems with a code=62 error.

  10. Jacob Berg July 3, 2016 at 10:37 am #

    Im getting the same freezing thing as libertarian, but it happens whenever I start the game, at different dates aswell.

  11. William July 3, 2016 at 3:20 pm #

    You should make it a possibility to win PIPs. Ex. if you win a primary you get a PIP, or if you win a debate or high profile endorsement you win a PIP. Just a thought.

  12. Caleb July 3, 2016 at 7:50 pm #

    I would agree that PIPs could be expanded upon, and maybe slightly more varied? Some candidates are MUCH more influential than others. Fiorina doesn’t exactly hold the same as, say, Rubio or Bush.
    Maybe depending on their position (Cabinet, Governor, Senator, Businessman, etc) they can have more or less base PIPs.

    As far as earning them, I’m unsure. Winning a primary or debate seems almost too easy, and as endorsements are ‘bought’ using PIP, it wouldn’t really be a great idea.

  13. Caleb July 3, 2016 at 9:50 pm #

    Hey, I just wrote up the first entry into my play by play on the forums and it says the site is down. 500 Internal Server Error. I hit the post buttons after making it just right and then it told me that :c I think the play by play I wrote is gone (as is my motivation a bit now but that’s not your fault I’m just lazy if it doesn’t work) and it said to inform you.

  14. Caleb July 3, 2016 at 10:11 pm #

    Nevermind, it just got back up and posted!

  15. AJ July 3, 2016 at 11:28 pm #

    There is some kind of bug in the new release, I started in the primary on July 1st, and it froze three different times either on July 3rd or 5th

  16. AJ July 4, 2016 at 12:56 am #

    Kept trying, the bug only occurred when I activated Julian Castro, any time Castro wasn’t campaigning, it didn’t occur

  17. andres July 4, 2016 at 12:46 pm #

    There is a bug problem with the spin, after certain amount of turns the game crashes, the only thing that works is the space button and the game keeps “advancing”, sometimes I even manage to make it to the general election. But nothing else works. Other times the game freezes entirely. The spin button seems to be the problem because when I click it an error appears.

  18. andres July 4, 2016 at 4:00 pm #

    I found another error and something wierd happened with the delegates after the primaries were over. The results for my game(another map, not the US) were:

    Me: 1079
    Candidate B: 889 (still running)
    Candidate C: 110 (withdrawn)
    Candidate D: 77 (withdrawn)
    Candidate E: 19 delegates (withdrawn)

    1088 delegates needed to win the nomination.

    I was 9 delegates short, but on the screen of the “projected/estimated” delegates, I had a “projected” number of 1093 after the primaries were over, the same screen had 986 for candidate B (the only candidate still running against me), 27 for candidate C, 68 for candidate D and 0 for candidate E. As you can see, the numbers were different from the “earned” delegates and I was apparently the presumptive nominee with 1093.

    On the convention, each candidate started with the “earned” delegates(not the projected ones) and ALL the remaining-earned delegates went to candidate B and thus I lost the nomination with 1079, I didn’t get a single delegate from anyone. I don’t mind loosing the nomination, what I am arguing is that the projected number for me was 1093(1088 needed) so I thought I was going to be the nominee.

    Finally, I would like to know what does it take to win delegates from a candidate that had withdrawn from the primaries and he didn’t endorsed anyobody?

  19. Caleb July 4, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

    If I remember correctly, withdrawn candidates’ delegates go to whoever is idealogically closest to the candidate. For example, if you’re playing as Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and you all win some primaries and then Sanders drops out, his delegates will go to Warren unless he happened to endorse you.

  20. Caleb July 4, 2016 at 11:11 pm #

    Libertarianoftheusa: “@anthony keep getting a same occuring bug were my game freezes and i cant click on anything in PI have to close it using task manager happens every time march 11 in the 2016 scenario starting in jan any canidates”

    I’m getting the same bug on march 14th in a 2012 scenario, and it also happened in January 2oth ish

  21. libertarianoftheusa July 5, 2016 at 12:34 pm #

    @anthony @caleb I belive if it is like that,it should go to if you have a good relationship ship with someone more then ideological

  22. anthony_270admin July 5, 2016 at 3:15 pm #

    Anyone experiencing a freezing bug, how long are you giving the game to continue? It might be (multiple) candidates withdrawing, the function takes a long time to complete (something I am going to change).

  23. Caleb July 5, 2016 at 4:59 pm #


    I gave it about 10 minutes before calling it quits. The field in mine was much smaller though since it was 2012, the only conceivable drop outs being Bachman and Perry since Santorum and Hunstman were upsets

  24. Caleb July 5, 2016 at 5:04 pm #

    On the note of that game, it was the only game I’ve ever had where the low profile Iowa winner go on to rise nationally. Huntsman won Iowa, New Hampshire, and had a commanding lead in South Carolina and had risen to 14%. For the first time, watching as a third party candidate, I felt that the first state effort really paid off which has never happened before in any game I’ve played of PI. Granted, this was probably due to the massive attack ads on Romney and Gingrich, and the giant campaign ruining scandals on the two of them (they also foiled each other during debates hilariously enough allowing Santorum to gain some momentum).

    Do you think that some parts of momentum need to be reworked, perhaps? As of now, winning debates and the first primaries only help a little in the big picture. That is literally the only game I’ve had a nobody who won that caucus go anywhere. It’s just a thought.

  25. Aaron July 5, 2016 at 5:19 pm #

    @anthony, it’s not necessarily anyone dropping out as it happens often in the first few turns. Had this problem with 231 & 232

  26. Libertarianoftheusa July 6, 2016 at 9:40 am #

    @anthony it happens at very random points for me,a couple times an error code poped up I’ll try to get the code again and give it to you,It tottaly freezes the game I hear a sound and it freezes,I have to use task manager to exit.

  27. anthony_270admin July 6, 2016 at 1:11 pm #

    @Caleb “Do you think that some parts of momentum need to be reworked, perhaps?”

    Yes, that’s one reason for implementing Favorability. Basically, the game engine is designed for relatively stable, two-party, general election dynamics – sudden, very large surges or collapses (as happen in > 2 candidate systems) are more tricky.

  28. anthony_270admin July 6, 2016 at 1:28 pm #

    @Andres re earned vs. projected delegates,

    In the latest internal, if a candidate endorses when withdrawing, then if it’s a contested convention and they are eliminated, whoever they endorsed gets the delegates.

    Otherwise, delegates go to a candidate based on an affinity rating, which is platform similarity + relations. Whoever has the highest affinity gets the delegates.

  29. Jacob Berg July 6, 2016 at 2:35 pm #

    I can no loger even play the game the error “List index out of bonds (0)” shows up when I click on the icon.

  30. Dallas July 6, 2016 at 2:47 pm #

    On the 2016 scenario, I made it through the convention. Playing as Ben Carson, I did not win- though Carly Fiorina did. I attempted to use the option to continue the game as her. After clicking “yes”, I am brought back to the main screen (another game window opens). I click back on the other window with the already open game, and get the following error: Access violation at address 00555E84 in module ‘PI.exe’. Read of address 000001C.

  31. Dallas July 6, 2016 at 2:49 pm #

    Apologizes- at the end of my previous reply, I forgot to add another C. So, it should be: “Read of address 000001CC”. Hope this helps! Always happy to help squash these bugs!

  32. Marcus July 6, 2016 at 5:36 pm #

    I’m having trouble with the game freezing as well. Seems to happen after the new cycle. It goes back to the game play screen but nothing is clickable. Happens at different times… haven’t been able to get past November in the primaries.

  33. POTUS July 6, 2016 at 5:49 pm #

    I’m having the freezing problem too. Does not seem to correlate with anyone dropping out or anything else.

  34. anthony_270admin July 6, 2016 at 7:14 pm #

    Hi everyone,

    Re freezing problem, it sounds like this is a user-interface problem. My guess is that a window is getting stuck under another window. I’ll attempt to recreate and fix it.

  35. anthony_270admin July 6, 2016 at 7:20 pm #

    @Jacob re “List index out of bounds” error,

    Which icon are you pressing that causes the error?

  36. Jacob Berg July 6, 2016 at 8:00 pm #

    The desktop Icon to play the game.

  37. Sean July 6, 2016 at 10:14 pm #

    Having the same problem as Jacob Berg

  38. Falcon July 7, 2016 at 11:31 am #

    I too have this freezing problem, after a couple of turns in the primaries.

  39. Harold July 7, 2016 at 1:04 pm #

    I can’t play the game. All it says is “List index out of bounds (0)” Please tell me this will be fixed.

  40. anthony_270admin July 7, 2016 at 3:32 pm #

    To anyone getting the error when starting the game, what operating system are you using?

  41. Sean July 7, 2016 at 7:58 pm #

    Windows XP? Im sorry im not good with computers. What do you mean by operating system?

  42. Dexter July 8, 2016 at 2:51 pm #

    Unlimited Policy speeches and Picking out Scandels and highlighting them would be great feature to add/change. Also Cities candidates travel to as Some cities vote red/blue.

  43. Jacob Berg July 8, 2016 at 9:11 pm #

    Windows 8, on my other computer is windows 10.

  44. anthony_270admin July 9, 2016 at 2:51 pm #


    Are you getting the ‘List index’ bug on startup with both your Windows 8 and Windows 10 setups?

  45. Jacob Berg July 9, 2016 at 3:29 pm #

    Not windows 10, just windows 8. Windows 10 starts but freezes after about 10 turns.

  46. anthony_270admin July 9, 2016 at 4:27 pm #


    Ok, thanks for this. So this might be a Windows 8 problem, I’ve noted it.

  47. anthony_270admin July 9, 2016 at 4:49 pm #


    Yes, Windows XP is it. Thanks for this.

  48. anthony_270admin July 9, 2016 at 4:52 pm #

    @AJ re Castro,

    Are you saying he was activated as a candidate? If so, was he set to ‘human’ or ‘computer’?

  49. anthony_270admin July 9, 2016 at 5:04 pm #

    Re PIPs,

    I would like to transform PIPs into something like a currency, So, each leader has 100 (say) PIPs, and each PIP has value relative to their prospects, plus some value based on their network. The closer they get to being a likely nominee, the more value each PIP has.

  50. Nathan July 10, 2016 at 6:00 pm #


    I really enjoy this update. However, I have some concerns about the general election. Whenever I play in the primaries then the general (I usually play as a third party and will not do anything, just to see how the election runs), The two major parties usually have SUBSTANTIAL loss of percentages in a specific state. For example, In Missouri at one point The Republicans had 56%, That dropped to a staggering 17% and undecided jump to almost 40%. They never regained that vote, and lost Missouri by 82-18, which is very unlikely to happen ever. Do you have any idea why this is happening, and what can be done to fix it?

  51. AJ July 10, 2016 at 10:11 pm #

    @anthony, Castro was on computer, I played i three times, and it froze around the 4th of July all three times, then I played twice without Castro, and it froze on July 18th both times

  52. anthony_270admin July 12, 2016 at 6:35 pm #

    @AJ re Castro,

    Thanks for this – I’ll attempt to replicate this bug.

  53. anthony_270admin July 12, 2016 at 6:39 pm #

    @Nathan re %s,

    I will be looking closely at this while implementing Favorability.

  54. Cazador July 12, 2016 at 8:39 pm #

    This is a great update. Really glad to see vote totals for the primaries. You all should consider an option where a spreadsheet can be created at the end of the primaries, just like at the end of the general election.

    I am also having the same problem of major crashes in support after the primaries. In my user created scenarios, support in several swing states crashes for the incumbent part, and a third party eats up much of that support. When the election results roll in, the incumbent party has lost a few swing states by huge margins. They often win less than 20% of the vote in these states, and a third party gets more than that. The numbers in this need to be stabilized.

    An option to consider regarding the primaries. It would be great if we could input the number of registered voters in each state/district, and then base the turnout off of that. Also, higher turnout percentages should go in the following order: Open Primaries, Closed Primaries, Open Caucuses, and Closed Caucuses.

    Thank you all for the hard work that you all do! Can’t wait to see the next update!

  55. Cazador July 12, 2016 at 8:44 pm #

    *Number of party members in each state and then base the primary turnout on that.

  56. William July 13, 2016 at 1:05 pm #

    I was playing the 2016 campaign playing as Barack Obama, and during the Republican primaries Cruz dropped out after losing to Trump handily. During the convention most of the candidates endorsed Cruz and he won the convention with 14?? delegates while trump had less and he was eliminated from the convention. Cruz won which I guess voided the Republican candidate. I could not campaign against the Republican candidate, even in the debates the Rep. candidate did not show up. During election night just as I had suspected Trump/Cruz did not compete and I won with 75%

  57. anthony_270admin July 15, 2016 at 3:10 pm #

    @William re Cruz winning the nomination after withdrawing,

    This is a bug that has been fixed in the latest internal – now, if a candidate wins the convention but has withdrawn, their status is set to not be withdrawn.

  58. anthony_270admin July 15, 2016 at 3:43 pm #


    Thanks for this feedback!

    Re primaries turnout, in the latest internal it simply uses actual turnout. It’s a fixed number, although it might be modified. It’s very difficult to model turnout in primaries, because there are so many variables.

  59. Caleb July 17, 2016 at 7:23 pm #


    Is it alright for me to post the link to a Most Requested Feature of the Month poll on the forums in the comments on this?

  60. ZeroSen_ July 18, 2016 at 10:48 am #

    In the 2008 campaign all the winner-take-all states in the democratic primaries are worth one delegate.

    Worth noting

  61. Cazador July 18, 2016 at 12:07 pm #


    I think one way to do primary turnout that would make sense is to rank the turnout percentage based on the type of primary. For example, a state with open primaries should have a much higher turnout percentage than a state with a closed caucus, and a state with a closed primary should have a higher turnout percentage than a state with a open caucus. The type of primary should influence the turnout percentage.

  62. anthony_270admin July 19, 2016 at 1:11 pm #


    Yes, you can go ahead.

  63. anthony_270admin July 19, 2016 at 1:12 pm #

    @ZeroSen re 2008,

    Noted – thanks for this.

  64. anthony_270admin July 19, 2016 at 1:14 pm #


    That’s one way to try to model it. I think it’s too complex to try to develop an algorithm, though. The game just uses the actual turnout (or a number provided by the campaign designer).

  65. Caleb July 19, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

    Currently, there is a poll going on to see what features players want to see most and a place to offer more suggestions on the forums. You can vote for your most wanted gameplay features, minor features, and features that are already on the to-do list.

    This way you can see not only what others are looking forward to most, but it’s also feedback on what players are currently wanting. Please vote and offer suggestions!


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