15 thoughts on “Adding a Negotiating attribute”

  1. @anthony
    Could you elaborate more on this and how it relates to a potential Trump advantage during a campaign? Is it for getting endorsements (he got very few). Is it for getting people to drop out (Cruz and Kasich stayed in very late). Maybe I misunderstand what this trait is for, but based on what I think it is, I don’t know if it’s applicable. Seems more like a skill for a game involving th activity of being president.

  2. I think you’re right that it might be more applicable to being President, but the purpose of adding Negotiating as an ability is to make offers more interesting on a candidate-by-candidate basis, while also noting that one of Trump’s major selling features in the campaign was his negotiating skills. It makes the game more complete for 2016 and, if Trump runs, 2020.

    As far as Trump’s relations with other candidates, Christie endorsed him and Huckabee’s daughter is now his Press Secretary. Two of his primaries opponents became Cabinet members – Carson and Perry – which is one thing a person can offer in-game. All the candidates (14) except Kasich and Bush endorsed him. Trump’s last major opponent, Cruz, withdrew on May 3rd (Kasich was never a major opponent in my opinion, but he withdrew on May 4th). By comparison, Clinton’s last opponent, Sanders, withdrew on June 16th, almost a month and a half later.

    Many individuals and organizations endorsed him, most prominently an early endorsement by the NRA. A list is here


  3. @Anthony
    What I’m saying is I don’t think he was any better at negotiating another candidates withdrawal or endorsements. How does he compare to other candidates from other years. Cruz dropped out but wouldn’t endorse him at the convention. Romney, the Bushes and others wouldn’t vote for him. Clinton wrapped up all her major endorsements pre-primary. Sanders stayed in the race because he still had a shot at winning and was ideologically radical. I don’t think that was a negotiating flaw. I guess if negotiating is added, I just don’t see it being a strength for Trump based off his 2016 showing. He turned off more Republicans than any previous Republican Nominee. If his negotiating skill were good, he’d have prevented that or diluted it. I think the negotiating skill will probably make the game less accurate, unless you add another ability that also drives away certain Republican endorsers for Trump and certain endorsers for Clinton. How would you calculate this skill for candidates in the other official scenarios? I feel their negotiating skills, for the most part, regardless of their party, we’re better on campaign than either Clinton or Trump.

  4. I think having the Negotiating attribute is a great idea because most endorsements require negotiating and having it in the game will make it more realistic. The only concern I have is how you are going to model it and determine a number for each candidate.

  5. This sounds like a good idea, It would be useful in coalition negotiations for Hung Parliaments for those parties known for their ‘King Maker’ roles (i.e. Nick Clegg in the 2010 UK election and DUP in 2017).


  6. I love the idea of adding Negotiating skill, and I think it would be really cool if it could apply to undeclared candidates; additionally, having the option to try to get someone to change a SPECIFIC issue position would be a fun, and I think, realistic gameplay option. In this case, an undeclared candidate could try to move the race from the outside, and a declared candidate could pull a frontrunner in a certain direction on issues (and could move a candidate on more depending on how well they’re polling/ their Negotiating skill.)
    Anyway I think this is a great idea!

  7. I agree with Jonathan above that Trump actually was very unsuccessful at securing endorsements prior to locking up the nomination. Clinton on the other hand, had made deals to secure huge numbers of super delegates and had significant endorsements very early on. which was key in keeping Biden out. It seems to me like the PIPs are doing a better job at this than a new stat would, because personal attributes seem to have far far less to do with endorsements than does political influence within a party.

    Trump’s promoting his skills at negotiating seems more like something that is reflected in the experience stat. Trump’s experience just is not governmental, but he touted his real estate business experience as something that would help him in the White House.

  8. @Jonathan,

    “I think the negotiating skill will probably make the game less accurate, unless you add another ability that also drives away certain Republican endorsers for Trump and certain endorsers for Clinton.”

    This is a good point. I think Trump drove other Republicans away, especially during the primaries, for a few reasons.

    1. He was executing a hostile takeover of the Republican party. His issue positions were repudiations of certain significant prevailing views amongst the GOP elites. He rejected the interventionism of the W. Bush terms, globalism and in particular free-trade orthodoxy, and certain (relative to Trump) lax views on immigration enforcement, due to it benefiting certain donors by providing cheaper, more pliable labor. These issue positions put him at odds with the likes of J. Bush and Kasich, in particular.

    2. Not just his issue positions, but how he said them. He was at times intentionally (it seems to me) inflammatory and provocative, and this increased the effect of 1., often among the same people.

    3. He used (effective at times) personal attacks more so than most candidates. This skit from SNL got the dynamic right (except for the ‘None of us will be’ line).


    I think it was 1.-3. which alienated a lot of potential endorsers (but also won him the nomination). So I think you’re right – it’s tough to model that by just adding a Negotiating attribute.

  9. @Mackenzie,

    Ya, have more details issue position negotiations would be nice, and is what I want to implement – thanks for this.

  10. @Tanner, good point about PIPs and party influence. Something like PIPs is probably more important, especially in the primaries, although having that and a Negotiating attribute aren’t mutually exclusive. Remember, though, it was Trump’s negotiating strategy (by refusing to rule out an independent bid) which led to all major Republican primary candidates signing a pledge to support the eventual nominee (and hence J. Bush and Kasich looking like hypocrites).

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